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The following is the abstract of the article discussed in the subsequent letters:
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Sun, Xing-Guo, James E. Hansen, William W. Stringer, Hua
Ting, and Karlman Wasserman Carbon dioxide pressure-concentration relationship in arterial and
mixed venous blood during exercise. J Appl Physiol 90: 1798-1810, 2001.
To calculate cardiac output by the indirect Fick
principle, CO2 concentrations
(CCO2) of mixed venous
(C



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Carbon Dioxide Pressure-Concentration Relationship in Arterial and Mixed Venous Blood
To the Editor: In this era of molecular biology and genetics, it is a real pleasure for those of us who began our careers in pulmonary physiology in an earlier era to read such a lucid expounding of exercise physiology as that given in the paper of Sun et al. (2). The main thrust of their paper was to show the importance of changes in buffer base above the lactic acidosis threshold in determining the mixed venous-to-arterial CO2 content difference and hence cardiac output. They pointed out that many studies that used the indirect Fick method of estimating mixed venous PCO2 (P
Well, I can never resist a challenge, especially one connected with exercise physiology. I got out my old manuscripts and the original Fortran computer program, as well as a more recent version, using the same equations but now written in C, to see how well the results calculated by my program agreed with the results of the present study. Unfortunately, the present study did not provide enough data on individual subjects or indeed at all levels of exercise (specifically CO2 production) to calculate cardiac output individually, and the only level for which there was enough information was at maximum exercise.
To use my program, I needed to know the P



9.5 mM)
using the Siggard-Andersen nomogram. I inserted the value for
oxygenated P

My program uses the Visser correction factors for arterial blood desaturation and another correction factor that I derived for the effect of base excess or deficit and hemoglobin on the slope of the logarithmic CO2 dissociation curve (1). This curve is used to determine the venous-to-arterial CO2 content difference from the oxygenated venous-to-arterial CO2 pressure difference.
In summary, the equations and computer program that I described some 31 years ago, which include corrections for acid-base status, appear to perform quite well in comparison with the direct Fick study of Sun et al. (2), even at high work levels and with marked acid-base changes. If the authors of that study would care to send me data for all their subjects at all work levels, I would be happy to calculate all the individual values with my program so that a full comparison could be made.
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2.
Sun, X-G,
Hansen JE,
Stringer WW,
Ting H,
and
Wasserman K.
Carbon dioxide pressure-concentration relationship in arterial and mixed venous blood during exercise.
J Appl Physiol
90:
1798-1810,
2001
3.
Visser, BF.
Pulmonary diffusion of carbon dioxide.
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155-166,
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S. Godfrey, Institute of Pulmonology Hadassah University Hospital Hebrew University-Hadassah Medical School POB 12000, Jerusalem, Israel E-mail: sgodfrey{at}netvision.net.il |
To the Editor: The recent paper in the
Journal of Applied Physiology by Sun and colleagues (6) on
CO2 pressure-concentration relationships in arterial and
venous blood during exercise points to the problem of using the
traditional approach to acid-base homeostasis by solely considering
PCO2, pH, and bicarbonate in any fluid
compartment, including blood. The primary observation by Sun and
colleagues is that, during exercise above the lactate threshold, the
relationship between PCO2 and total
CO2 or bicarbonate in arterial or venous blood does not
follow the standard relationship defined by the CO2
association curve of blood. The observations are important and
demonstrate that the relationships among "acid-base variables"
depend not only on PCO2 but also on changes in
a number of other entities in the blood. The concept of the
relationship between dependent and independent variables in acid-base
homeostasis was first put forth by Stewart in 1981 (4, 5)
and subsequently has been found to be a useful method of evaluating
acid-base status in blood and other body fluids, including
cerebrospinal fluid (1, 2). The gist of Stewart's
formulation is that acid-base homeostasis should be viewed as an
interaction between "dependent" and "independent" variables. An
independent variable is one that can only be changed from outside the
system, whereas a dependent variable cannot be changed directly from
outside the system unless one of the independent variables is also
altered. In this concept, PCO2 is an
independent variable; however, bicarbonate and hydrogen ion
concentrations are dependant variables and their values will change
only when one or more of the independent variables are changed. The
other independent variables are weak acids, strong ions that are
completely dissociated (including Na+, K+,
Ca2+, Mg2+, and PO
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Sun, X-G,
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Wasserman K.
Carbon dioxide pressure-concentration relationship in arterial and mixed venous blood during exercise.
J Appl Physiol
90:
1798-1810,
2001.
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Homayoun Kazemi, David Systrom, Pulmonary and Critical Care Unit Massachusetts General Hospital Boston, Massachusetts 02114 E-mail: HKazemi{at}partners.org |
To the Editor: We thank Dr. Godfrey for his comments
and congratulate him for his physiological insights published over
three decades ago (1) regarding the modification of relationship between blood PCO2 tension and CO2
concentration by lactic acidosis and other acid-base disturbances. As
pointed out by Godfrey and confirmed by our data (3), mixed venous
CO2 concentration cannot be calculated from estimated or
known mixed venous PCO2
(P Dr. Godfrey intelligently used the maximal exercise mean values of our
subjects (the actual mixed venous pH, PCO2,
hemoglobin, oxyhemoglobin saturation, and CO2 production),
Visser's formula for estimation of oxygenated
P Fortunately, without addition of special maneuvers and with the use of
values obtained during routine noninvasive gas-exchange cardiopulmonary
exercise testing, cardiac output can be estimated at the lactate
threshold and at maximum exercise with reasonable accuracy in normal
subjects and in most patients (2).
In their letter, Drs. Kazemi and Systrom conclude that there are
problems using the traditional relationships between
PCO2, pH, and bicarbonate in blood to calculate
blood CO2 concentrations above the lactate threshold due to
changes in a number of other entities (ions) in blood (and other fluid
compartments). On the contrary, our data clearly show that
1) the Henderson-Hasselbalch equation is valid in both
arterial and mixed venous blood (3, 4),
2) the Fick principle of estimating cardiac output is valid using either O2 or CO2 concentrations of
arterial and mixed-venous blood (4), 3) the
change in blood CO2 concentration during exercise is
attributable to the displacement of HCO
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J Appl Physiol
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1798-1810,
2001.
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Sun, X-G,
Hansen JE,
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Chuang M-L,
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Adame D,
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Wasserman K.
Comparison of exercise cardiac output by the Fick principle using oxygen and carbon dioxide.
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Wasserman, K,
VanKessel AL,
and
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Interaction of physiological mechanisms during exercise.
J Appl Physiol
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1967
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Karlman Wasserman, Xing-Guo Sun, James E. Hansen, Hua Ting, William W. Stringer, Harbor-UCLA Medical Center Torrance, California 90509 |
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